How did you get to Penn?
Well, I did an event in August of 2000 with two friends at the Community Education Center— the CEC—at 35th and Lancaster, not far from here. A Penn student who was involved with The Rotunda (they had just begun doing things here in 1999) came to one of our events and said, “We’re going around to people who are doing things in West Philly, and we heard about this event and some other things you’re doing, and we want to bring you into this venue.” At the time, they had a good bit of programming, and they had the vision to understand that they couldn’t do it all themselves. They wouldn’t necessarily all be around forever. If it was going to be a community space, they had to literally go out into the community and see what people were doing and ask them to come in.
Just like we operate now, there was no barrier. They didn’t ask us to pass a test, they didn’t ask us who we knew at Penn, nothing. They themselves came to events, they saw they were great, they saw that we had some vision of our own. So I started coming in for a while, volunteering. I got involved in a monthly series that was happening here. I became the co-curator of Gate to Moonbase Alpha, and my co-curator and I went around the city, we booked acts, we got money from Penn, we paid them—we did all the things.
Eventually, those same students were graduating, they were trying to figure out who would keep this community space running—could this be a job for someone? And Penn Facilities and Real Estate, who had been supportive from the very beginning, said, “Well, let’s bring somebody in, let’s contract someone.”
So I was a contractor for a year plus, and then they interviewed other people, but I got the permanent job, and I’ve been full-time since then.
What have Penn and its people have come to mean to you?
Penn is a million things, you know? Penn is thousands of people, so I don’t want to say it’s a monolith, but there is a culture, and The Rotunda is technically off-campus. I work with more non-Penn folks than I do with Penn folks. We have amazing art spaces at Penn who do tons of community outreach. And we’re not necessarily the same, though: that’s fine, we need all of us here. It took me a while to figure out who my people were, even though there have always been supportive groups around—beginning with Facilities and Real Estate and the Netter Center for Community Partnerships. They’ve always supported us, they support Work Study students here, they’ve always been a sounding board. It was a class through the Netter Center that actually brought the students together who created The Rotunda.
When the Sachs program came in, they did a lot of work to let all of us in the Penn arts community know what everybody else is doing and on what projects we might be able to collaborate.
And I have to shout out Social Equity and Community at Penn. Those folks, while they’re not in the arts, per se, understand what we’re doing. And they have, on a consistent basis, brought us in front of students, brought their fellows here, connected fellows to work that’s happening here. They’ve established two mutual aid pantries outside of our east entrance years ago, and students are still running those.
Do you have something that you’re excited about right now?
This past September, we launched a volunteer program, and some of those volunteers have become like staff—we have all these people who take this place so seriously, who live and breathe for it. And we’re trying to see how we can support them even more, and work within the university to do that. I’m super excited about where that’s going to go.
Also—there’s a bunch of new folks who are putting on events now in the neighborhood, and who are doing things a little bit differently. We’re working with them and trying to figure out how they want to operate, and what communities they want to reach out to, and how we can connect them with folks who’ve been around much longer—so that the stuff they make can be multi-generational and have real roots.
If you don’t look to younger people, you’re not going to survive. So I’m trying to figure out how to support the next kind of generation of Rotunda family member, if you will.